In general I would not think of myself as a big music buff. I listen to a few tracks far and in between and I am very picky about it, not specifically the genre because that again depends on my mood. I am definitely not one of those who has a tune stuck in my head and can’t move to the next track! I am also not one of those who can’t work without music, because I do not like multithreading in my head: you know too many threads can end in a knot and naught. It was therefore rather strange that I was invited to a rock concert and even more queer that I consented.
It was held at the YMCA hall and none of us had a clue of what we were in for, or at least I hadn’t. The program commenced with us being requested to reflect on our actions in the past and how God will liberate us from our sins only if we believe in Him. It reminded me of the documentary series on the BBC that reflected on religion being the root cause of evil: there was a particular episode in which showed the spread of Evangelical Christianity in USA. They used rock concerts as platforms to draw crowds into spirituality and more specifically Christianity. I have often wondered how utterly sacrilegious musical renditions from the ilk of Marilyn Manson and Metallica can turn people towards religion. Here, I got to experience it first hand. The lyrics having spiritual/religious content were being projected onto a screen while the rock band set the stage on fire.
I was not too sure whether to follow the lyrics or the music and I settled for the latter because honestly speaking the two seemed rather disjoint. Call me a purist or an orthodox fuddy-duddy, but I have always believed that spirituality is something that is invoked within. For that you need to be in a different plane of consciousness which is facilitated by serenity and definitely not pulsating rock music. Rock music speaks a language of angst and turmoil, not necessarily in the lyrics but in the way it is generally played. It is more inspired by manmade sounds like an engine or a motor or a train, very rarely will you find sounds similar to say, the birds chirping or the wind blowing in a Rock piece. Rock music, therefore, tends to bind you more to these worldly aspects rather than liberate you from them. This is where religions that need to be constantly propagated fail to realize that in an attempt to reach to a younger audience through such means, the very essence of their preaching is lost. In fact in a macro-view, religion is so preoccupied with the act of propagation that it loses sight of its real objective.
Later, as we left the hall, we were given pocket booklets of the New Testament. (Funny, even MS word wants ‘New Testament’ in initial caps like ‘God’!!) Frankly, I did not want to take it, primarily, because I believed I came to a rock performance and not a religious caucus. So I handed it over to my friend who now has two copies. I would think that the music especially the percussionist in the band rocked if not the religious connotations of the event. Mixing religion and rock music to me is like having Pizza with Pal payasam.
Wednesday, August 02, 2006
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nice one....agree with you on this.
btw, do you consider urself "spiritual but not religious'? just curious...
Pizza with Pal Payasam? LOL... although I disagree with your description of rock music, I agree that Christian Rock is a bit incongruous, having been subjected to it myself in my IIT days as well as American TV now. But each to his own; if someone is able to combine his passions for Rock and Religion, who am I to begrudge him?
I guess it's their way of finding different ways to interest people in religion...some may not respond to in church sermons or bible excerpts. Music can become very personal for some people, and it makes sense to use the popular genre to attract and retain more believers.
Btw, I've had pizza with theyur sadham. How about that? :P
In Fact Protestantism is not a Religion but rather an ideology, the ideology of capitalism. Anything goes as long as it returns money to protestants, reference:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protestant_Ethic_and_the_Spirit_of_Capitalism
hmm, only both have the potential to take you to a different plane...
Firstly, I really cant understand what music has to have with natural sounds - "very rarely will you find sounds similar to say, the birds chirping or the wind blowing in a Rock piece. Rock music, therefore, tends to bind you more to these worldly aspects rather than liberate you from them." Music does not have to be natural....i really cannot understand what "natural" music is!! And not to say that you do not have instruments like the flute being used in rock music. But still, do tell how and what natural music is and how it can be added to rock music....no ideas on my side.....and secondly, it is a christian rock concert - which is nothing wrong...if there is hinud bhajan recitals, there can be christian rock concerts - no?? and again, if it is a christian rock concert, it will be full of christian references and you will surely feel claustrophobic....so why bother to go in the first place...
3 cheers for Roy who is dead???
( the dude who commented up there ^^)
This girl doesn't know much about music .. see she confesses in line..wait let me count... 1.. yep in the very first line she says.."In general I would not think of myself as a big music buff" ..Big ?? in general ?? myself?? grrr..
I was about to tell her about Himmi and Baapi but we'll settle with YESUDAS singing at SABARIMALA. No background music.. just his soulful voice… too good.
As usual I’m not sure what I just rambled but boo hoo to kk :-)
Why did you go ?? duh?? and auntyji ko mera pranam.
By the way your similies are..eeks
how about ..eeerr.. Vodka with mango pickles..slurrrrp.. (Vc shakes his head Joey style wink wink)
i couldn't agree more.....well written...nice blog
Interesting post... it inspired me to post a comment on the subject on my blog too.
Personally, I was never really into rock, so I'm not the greatest person to give an opinion. :)
Sriram,
Long time no see!!
SP,
You are as much entitled to your opinion as a guy who likes christian rock: well if it peeves you, write about it!
Everything in transit,
I did not intend to sound like the Mother Superior in Sister Act. Rock and Religion have different places in people's lives in general: I personally feel it doesn't make sense mixing them.
Anony,
What has Protestanism have to do with this post ??
Manuscrypts,
Yeah true!
Death's Head roy,
I did not intend to pan the Rock genre and I didn't even say that music should be inspired by nature all the time. What I meant to say is, music that is inspired by certain sounds draws you towards those objects/ideas: For instance the flute can make you feel one with the wind perhaps and so on. Again its a personal opinion.
Further, Hindu Bhajan recitals are just that, Bhajan recitals: Its not like going to a Lucky Ali concert and listening to Meera Bhajan to the tune of 'Ek Pal ka Jeena' is it?
What I dislike about the "reaching out to the youth in an attempt to convert/turn them towards religion", is the fact that it is done surreptitiously.
Oh yes I would like to be told upfront that it is a Christian Rock concert. If it were a Church Choir that wore its Christianity on the pamphlets, I would have listened.
Vc,
Puhleez lie down before you hurt yourself!! Well SP liked my simile so boo to you!!
Sushant,
Thanks! Do keep dropping by.
Jana,
I've always believed that its better to have your own opinion than someone else's.
I am not going to comment on your blog until you apologise..... Vc flies off...
Oh puhleez. Ok Sorry...Uff the things I do to keep senile ppl happy.
My apologies, but firstly, you know next to nothing about rock music!. You certainly are taking a dig on music that transcends generations and is much more than beating up tin cans and hitting on strings held taut on pieces of wood....not to say about all that croaking!! Rock music is not just about screaming, headbanging, playing loud, aggressive riffs on guitars, lyrics that can be laden with hate, venom or even love. It is much more than that. No one, other than a real "rock music" lover can understand this. I would not even start on ripping apart music that I really am not into, cause it is something that I cannot remotely understand. For the life of me, I cannot understand how people can listen to electronica, pop, boybands and even so called soothing music. Its music that makes me want to rip my head off. There you go, you just said that thats what rock music is. That it is also crazy music that no one can understand. But for me, rock music is soothing. It gives me peace to listen to a rocking riff on a electric guitar, the soaring vocals of the lead singer, the thumping bass of the bass guitar!!. Rock for me is religion, or closest to one!!.
And have you listened to any of the lyrics in a rock song?. No you have not, not even in that YMCA concert!. Not all lyrics are great, sure, but most of them are great. And not all are crazy. Intense, yes, but not crazy. And sacrilegious and Metallica, why even Marilyn Manson?? Did you just pick up these names out of a hat??.
And why do you think rock music cannot be used to "talk" about some religion? Do you know that rock music itself came from Rock n Roll, which in turn came from a mixture of folk, bluegrass and other influences, all of which have the guitar or some similar stringed instrument as a base and even drums as accompaniment?. So it is a natural progression that even Evangelists pick up rock music as a medium. Do you know that one of the most famous Christian bands is a band called Petra? That it is a rock band? That it plays heavier music than even some of our own Indian "rock" acts? They dont use christian lyrics just for fun. They dont play rock music just because it can reach a larger set of the younger generation. They use rock music because they like playing rock music and believe in some christian god and hence combine both. You would not have found a fault if they used acoustic guitars and sung as a choir would you?? Nope, something tells me that you still would have. I really dont see what is wrong in using rock music in this situation!!!. You tell me if i am wrong!!!
And all this because of "reaching out to the youth in an attempt to convert/turn them towards religion" and you say it is done surreptitiously!!! Jesus H Christ - to take his name in vain, what were you thinking?. Do you know what the damned YMCA stands for? It is the Young Mens Christian Association!!! What else do they do? And is this "surreptitiously", the only reason why you did not listen to the concert? And unlike what you said, you did not go to a rock performance, you went to a christian get together in the YMCA!!.
It all makes more sense if you really were into rock music, knew what the YMCA stands for and then found the performance pathetic. Wow and Desipundit linked this article.
All apologies, nothing personal!!
@Deaths Head Roy:
I do believe YMCA organizes regular rock concerts as well, not just Christian rock. So I don't think its fair to criticize Kirthi for not anticipating religious rock.
Kirthi never professed to be an expert or even a fan of rock music, so although I'm as appalled as you at her description of rock music (angst and turmoil?! Eeks!), you should find it in your heart to forgive her :)
I think the main thing Kirthi wants to say is how bizarre the combination of rock and religion was to her, and I don't believe one needs to be an expert in either area to express an opinion on that.
SP,
Thank you for that, but don't you think I can deal with Ashok redux myself? Besides, I am not going to be apologetic about my opinion as mr. death here. But you'll make a good lawyer I must say.
Mr. Death-whatever,
Nothing personal: but I think you suffer from selective blindness. Instead of throwing words into my mouth, why don't you read the first few lines of my post again.
And just so you know: I stayed up an entire night with DJ listening to rock music right from soft to headbanging and Gothic. I am not claiming that I became an expert overnight, but I gave it a patient unprejudiced hearing and formed my perceptions about it.
Just because rock has some veritable history and a huge youth following does not mean that I will refrain from expressing my opinion about its fusion with religion. In fact I am more critical of those who follow rock with a herd mentality and without attempting to understand it.
Like I said before lyrics can be easily foisted into a tune and played as music: doesn't always work does it? The music along with the lyrics as a whole should give you a perception of what you feel when you hear it. Can you imagine having lyrics about sadness and loneliness in a fast paced track? It's all about associations with certain feelings and attitudes.
Further, I have also attended other events in YMCA which had nothing to do with Chrisitanity or religion.
You can go on carrying on this charade of me being a total Rock-hater, but just so we can end this "trollism" let us agree to disagree and end it at that!
Calling anyone "whatever" is as rude as it can get.
Eeeeeew .... ?? Kirthi ... did you just apologise ? .. and wonder who that anony was.. ..
Please refrain from speculating.
its in the disclaimer.. sigh.. the fire breathing dragon at her best...
I am surprised and disappointed that a fine author like you can be so unimaginative. Also the way you have castigated your critic is disheartening. It is “selective blindness” on your part which is more evident.
Even though I am an atheist, I believe that evangelists at YMCA rock concert did nothing wrong. They have right to propagate their views through non violent means. They have not forced anyone to attend the show. You did it by your own free will and you were free to leave if you did not like it. If most of the audience felt that religion and Rock don’t mix, it is these evangelists who are at a loss, for their message has not been effectively absorbed.
Now, to discuss it at a different level, whenever you are talking about religions please provide a clear definition. There are two ways people look at religion. One is “Institutionalized Religion” and the other “Individualized Religion”. Nebulous definition will invite undue criticisms. I hope you were referring to religion as a individual expression.
Six months back, I may have agreed to your argument that Rock and Religion are incongruent because that was the time when I was introduced to the crazy world of rock music. Just like a non believer cannot differentiate between an idol (God) and a stone, similarly it is difficult for non Rock believers to differentiate between music and head banging. To an outsider both, Religion and Rock, are irrational expressions. But believers will always see it differently. For me rock is an outlet of repressed emotions, but that is my personal perception. Other “believers” may view it differently. It is impossible to rationally justify a belief. For whatever reason a person holds a belief – even if to satisfy his/her vanity and greed or provide masochistic happiness, it is not justified to rubbish them.
I believe that you, as an author, should not analyze you feelings from perspective of being right or wrong. That will lead to short sightedness.
Mohit,
Yes, leave I did, only being polite enough to do so between the performances.
I agree that I went there of my own accord, even so, I felt cheated that it didn't state in clear terms that it was Christian Rock.
I was most definitely referring to the institutionalized form of religion. In the good old days, they probably used the disparity in the society (caste system) to convert people, now they use subtler techniques like rock music.
I did not rubbish either the religion or Rock Music. I just said they don't go together!
In any case, feelings can never be right or wrong: the same goes for perspectives.
I agree with the last line but I am quite sure that you don’t know anything about Caste System and its evolution.
It is difficult for me to explain it in totality right now but I can provide a few pointers, in case you wish to learn more about it.
“India Unbound” – Gurcharan Das
“Argumentative Indian” – Amartya Sen (I have not yet completed reading this book, but it definitely enlightening)
Sigh* now what has me knowing about the caste system got to do with the post?
Your blog keeps getting better and better! Your older articles are not as good as newer ones you have a lot more creativity and originality now keep it up!
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